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2004-12-01 14:10agomarkit: you search for a minimal Cygwin/X installation?
2004-12-01 14:10markitno
2004-12-01 14:10I've 2 problems
2004-12-01 14:10a) I would like to run just an app with cygwinX without user interaction
2004-12-01 14:10agomarkit: Must have mixed it
2004-12-01 14:10markit(a link on my win2K desktop to run kontact KDE app)
2004-12-01 14:11b) I've some troubles with my current cywinX used as a X server... often it locks
2004-12-01 14:11are you an expert/develoer/manteiner?
2004-12-01 14:11agorun kontakt locally or remote?
2004-12-01 14:12markit: expert+developer+maintainer *g*
2004-12-01 14:12markitwow :) you are the right person!
2004-12-01 14:12I want to have kontact of my linux box run on it and be displayed on my win2k pc
2004-12-01 14:13I've been able to do so, but manually...
2004-12-01 14:13ssh in the xterm, enter the password, run the kontact, enjoy
2004-12-01 14:13I want it automated
2004-12-01 14:13wait, I'll be back really soon (phone)
2004-12-01 14:14agostartx /usr/bin/ssh -f -Y linuxserver kontakt -- :0 -clipboard -multiwindow
2004-12-01 14:17at least in theory. Some there may still be drawbacks
2004-12-01 14:36markitback
2004-12-01 14:37well, don't it ask me for a password?
2004-12-01 14:37agoThe startx approach does not work properly with cygwin :/
2004-12-01 14:37markithave you tried right now?
2004-12-01 14:37agoyes.
2004-12-01 14:38markitit would be really usefull for win to lin migration...
2004-12-01 14:38agoIt starts the xserver and starts ssh but the client does not connect properly
2004-12-01 14:38markityou start using linux app on your desktop... then you replace the whole desktop ;)
2004-12-01 14:38agousing the whole desktop is no problem with -query
2004-12-01 14:39XWin -query linuxhost
2004-12-01 14:39requires XDMCP though
2004-12-01 14:40markitI'm using it right now
2004-12-01 14:40but for my secretary is too confusing
2004-12-01 14:40a desktop inside a desktop...brrr
2004-12-01 14:40agoor you write a bash script similar to startxwin.sh
2004-12-01 14:40markitI would like her start using just one app, then I have to make the "legacy" windows app I need inside wine, then the switch
2004-12-01 14:42is it normal that when I start "startxdmcp.bat" the floppy driver is checked?
2004-12-01 14:42agono.
2004-12-01 14:44markitI've the standard .bat plus this line at the bottom (instead of the standard one)
2004-12-01 14:44run XWin -query %REMOTE_HOST% -nodecoration -lesspointer -from 192.168.1.25 -notrayicon -clipboard
2004-12-01 14:45agowhat does mount report? Maybe some dir is mounted to the flopy
2004-12-01 14:45markitrecentrly (some updates ago) it started lock also... I left cygwin inactive for a while, I re-start working in some app, but as soon as I drop, for instance, the OOo File menu, cygwin freezes
2004-12-01 14:45ago: do I have to opern a cygwin teminal and type "mount"?
2004-12-01 14:46agoyes
2004-12-01 14:46markitmm with "mount" the floppy as been checked
2004-12-01 14:46$ mount
2004-12-01 14:46C:\Programmi\NX Client for Windows\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\fonts on /mnt/NX/fonts type
2004-12-01 14:46user (textmode)
2004-12-01 14:46C:\Documents and Settings\marco\.nx\tmp on /tmp type user (textmode)
2004-12-01 14:46C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\fonts on /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts type system (binmo
2004-12-01 14:46de)
2004-12-01 14:46C:\cygwin\bin on /usr/bin type system (binmode)
2004-12-01 14:46C:\cygwin\lib on /usr/lib type system (binmode)
2004-12-01 14:46C:\cygwin on / type system (binmode)
2004-12-01 14:46c: on /cygdrive/c type user (binmode,noumount)
2004-12-01 14:46d: on /cygdrive/d type user (binmode,noumount)
2004-12-01 14:47e: on /cygdrive/e type user (binmode,noumount)
2004-12-01 14:47h: on /cygdrive/h type user (binmode,noumount)
2004-12-01 14:47i: on /cygdrive/i type user (binmode,noumount)
2004-12-01 14:47I can't see A: referenced
2004-12-01 14:48it goes until
2004-12-01 14:48C:\cygwin on / type system (binmode)
2004-12-01 14:48then the floppy is checked
2004-12-01 14:48then continues with the other lines
2004-12-01 14:48agoactually XWin does similar things internally. I guess the getmntent function from cygwin does check the floppy if it is available
2004-12-01 14:49markitdo I have to use "run XWin" or just "XWin" in the bat? what is the difference?
2004-12-01 14:49agoI've never experienced it because I have no floppy drive on my system
2004-12-01 14:50run XWin will hide the logwindow. But does unfortunatly also hide the default XWin window (except you're using -multiwindow, -rootless or -nodecoration)
2004-12-01 14:51markitaren't you experiencing cygwin froozing recently? are you using cygwin as a X-server like I do?
2004-12-01 14:52agoyes
2004-12-01 14:52I've not experienced the freezes
2004-12-01 14:53But I'm not using openoffice.
2004-12-01 14:53Do the freezes occur without -clipboard ?
2004-12-01 14:55markitwell, I would try
2004-12-01 14:55should
2004-12-01 14:55I experienced that frozen usually with OOo... but last time, afair, also with ksirc
2004-12-01 14:55cygwin - OOo clipboard don't work very well
2004-12-01 14:56often I've to copy in windows, paste on a kde text editor, then copy and paste in OOo
2004-12-01 14:58agoyes. the clipboard handling is very tricky
2004-12-01 15:00btw: you have this line in startxwin.bat
2004-12-01 15:00run xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black -e /usr/bin/bash -l
2004-12-01 15:01if you change this to
2004-12-01 15:01run xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black -e /usr/bin/ssh -Y linuxhost kontakt
2004-12-01 15:01it should start the ssh thing automaticly
2004-12-01 15:02markitwell, but then I have to provide password, and, worse, enter the command name kontact&
2004-12-01 15:04agoyou can setup DSA authentication
2004-12-01 15:05and the application to start is already written in the commandline
2004-12-01 15:06markitwhat is it? /usr/bin/bash -l ? can I change it with a simple kontact& ?
2004-12-01 15:06agono
2004-12-01 15:07but you can use the second one. It will start ssh (which will connect to the linux box and start kontakt there) instead of the bash shell
2004-12-01 15:09markitsorry, I've read badly your line :( shame on mi
2004-12-01 15:09me
2004-12-01 15:10btw, do you know asterisk project? a GPL software PBX for linux... www.asterisk.org
2004-12-01 15:11agoPBX?
2004-12-01 15:12markitmm where you connect your phones in a office
2004-12-01 15:12we call it "centralino" in italian
2004-12-01 15:14agooh. One of the few things from IT/Telcom which are still known with their german name only
2004-12-01 15:16markitI've to leave now, thanks a lot for your help, I will try your suggestion as soon as possible.. hope to meet you again
2004-12-01 15:16bye :))
2004-12-01 15:16agobye
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2004-12-02 21:19figfigshould I use XWin.exe or startx? And does it make sense to put either of these in the startup menu
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2004-12-04 07:38D-Stilehey Alexander and rj!
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2004-12-05 13:18markithi
2004-12-05 13:19rj: any news for my problem to run a remote app with a click of mouse from win2k desktop?
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2004-12-06 04:29Dr_PhysiChi
2004-12-06 04:29i need help
2004-12-06 04:29i'm using this cygwin but i keep getting error of gcc command not found
2004-12-06 04:29can anyone here help please?
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2004-12-06 16:31Bzhhello
2004-12-06 16:32I had a quick question as I've just tried out Cygwin/X: is there any way to use XDMCP broadcast (as opposed to XDMCP query)?
2004-12-06 16:34agoBzh: Xwin -broadcast
2004-12-06 16:35Bzhago: sounds logical :-) I should have thought of it. I'll try it straigh away
2004-12-06 16:38ago: I get a black Cygwin/X window with nothing in it and an hourglass cursor. I got exactly the same when I tried -query against a known server earlier.
2004-12-06 16:44agoBzh: have you tried the -from parameter?
2004-12-06 16:45Bzhago: I only tried what's in the online documentation, which does not mention anything about -broadcast or -from. What is -from?
2004-12-06 16:45agoBzh: there is also a large faq section on non-working XDMCP. You should make sure -query is working before moving on to -broadcast
2004-12-06 16:46Bzh: -from defines the network interface to use for xdmcp
2004-12-06 16:47Bzh: either -from <nodename of host> or -from <ip address of host>
2004-12-06 16:48Bzh: But black window and hourglass is strange. Do you have defined a fontserver?
2004-12-06 16:49Bzhok, just found the FAQs on XDMCP, I'll look into this and let you know how I manage
2004-12-06 16:50agoBzh: I'll be away soon. (off to the dentist)
2004-12-06 16:51Bzhgood luck with the dentist then! I'm not sure which one is better between fidling with XDMCP or going to the dentist... :-)
2004-12-06 16:55ah, it looks like there's exactly my case in the FAQs!
2004-12-06 16:59agoBzh: going to the dentist is better. It will make the pain stop *g*. Fiddling with XDMCP will make the pain start
2004-12-06 17:00Bzheven worse: fiddling with XDMCP trying to connect ot a Sun Solaris machine: looks like the problem is down to fonts! typical! yes it's going to be painful but at least I know where to start now :-) thanks for the help
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2004-12-06 20:47eminenzhmmm
2004-12-06 20:47anyone there?
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2004-12-07 16:34gesttevago: I haven't been around lately. Has markit solved his remote login issue?
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2004-12-08 07:34NullFluxis there any way to start an xterm via a windows shortcut without it popping open a new cmd.exe also? it'd be nice if I could do it with the X server (also asked in #cygwin a moment ago)
2004-12-08 07:44rjyes, look at run.exe
2004-12-08 07:44I think it came with x-startup-scripts(?)
2004-12-08 07:53NullFluxI don't think that package exists since they migrated to xorg
2004-12-08 07:54oh, wait, I'm blind and ignorant - there it is
2004-12-08 07:54I just missed it the first time through the installer :)
2004-12-08 07:56thanks :)
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2004-12-09 16:40DForgeHello
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2004-12-09 17:01Hello
2004-12-09 19:22Test
2004-12-09 19:46Hello?
2004-12-09 19:46I'm trying to get XDMCP working w/ in windowed mode
2004-12-09 19:47if I use -nodecoration, it's fine, but if I delete it, the chooser will not come up.
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2004-12-10 14:36Morning
2004-12-10 14:44agohi
2004-12-10 15:24DForgeUgh... Did something change when cygwin upgraded to Xorg 6.8?
2004-12-10 15:24I just noticed that my normal startxwin process broke.
2004-12-10 15:25X will start with run XWin -multiwindow -clipboard -silent-dup-error, but I can no longer use X11 forwarding over SSH
2004-12-10 15:25I doubled checked the same configuration with Exceed, and my host machine is still working.
2004-12-10 15:27agoDForge: X11 forwarding does definitly work. Maybe you missed the change in OpenSSH. It now does untrusted forwarding by default and when using -X. fully working trusted forwarding is -Y
2004-12-10 15:30DForgeHrm. I'm using Secure CRT 4.1.9 for both Cygwin and Exceed.
2004-12-10 15:30I've attempted to use the same SSH connection for both Exceed and Cygwin.
2004-12-10 15:31AUDIT: Fri Dec 10 09:31:18 2004: 3112 XWin: client 4 rejected from IP 128.143.136.200
2004-12-10 15:31agoDForge: So you're most likely using tcp transport.
2004-12-10 15:31DForgeyes.
2004-12-10 15:31agoDForge: is 128.143.136.200 the local or the remote address?
2004-12-10 15:31DForgewhoops. remote.
2004-12-10 15:32that was a bug
2004-12-10 15:32I hadn't reloaded the log
2004-12-10 15:32sorry
2004-12-10 15:32I'm attempting to run nmapfe on the remote box. and that is the remote IP
2004-12-10 15:33the dns and rdns entries are correct
2004-12-10 15:33And the killer is that this same setup worked under 6.7
2004-12-10 15:34Xwin.exe is listening on the localhost TCP/6000 port
2004-12-10 15:34agothere were some changes with setting up directories in /tmp but that should not affect tcp transport
2004-12-10 15:34can you connect with a local client?
2004-12-10 15:35DForgeA local X client?
2004-12-10 15:35agolike xterm. DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 xterm
2004-12-10 15:35in cygwin shell
2004-12-10 15:36DForgeworks fine
2004-12-10 15:36agodo you have openssh installed?
2004-12-10 15:36DForgeyes
2004-12-10 15:36agocan you try forwarding with openssh?
2004-12-10 15:36DForgesure
2004-12-10 15:37agoits DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 ssh -Y user@remotehost
2004-12-10 15:37DForgeI did ssh -l user -Y machine
2004-12-10 15:38agoit's the same
2004-12-10 15:38DForgethen export display=localhost:0.0
2004-12-10 15:38and no lovde
2004-12-10 15:38love
2004-12-10 15:38It takes a while to run, then says cannot open display
2004-12-10 15:39agoYou have to setup DISPLAY (not uppercase) _bef_ starting ssh. openssh setup the variable oriable on the remote host for you
2004-12-10 15:39bef -> before
2004-12-10 15:40DForgeworks w/ exceed, but not xwin
2004-12-10 15:41xlib: connection to "" refused by server Xlib no protocol specified
2004-12-10 15:41agoconnection to "" this is because DISPLAY is not set properly
2004-12-10 15:41DForgewell
2004-12-10 15:41It was saying my machine name
2004-12-10 15:42sorry
2004-12-10 15:42gandalf.dns:0.0
2004-12-10 15:42agowhich part said this? The ssh program or the remote x11 client?
2004-12-10 15:43DForgeThis error was displayed on the remote machine after I had connected with SSH and attempted to run the X program
2004-12-10 15:44agoThe remote machine should never try to connect to the local. All X11 traffic must go through the ssh tunnel. That means the remote program must talk to the tunnel end on the remote host
2004-12-10 15:45DForgehrm... perhaps exceed is accepting connections,
2004-12-10 15:47on the public interface
2004-12-10 15:47agoI think so. You could try starting XWin with the -ac option. It disables the access control so all clients can connect
2004-12-10 15:47from everywhere
2004-12-10 15:47DForge@#$ - that's it
2004-12-10 15:48Do you know of a good faq for setting up good, secure SSH forwarding from scratch?
2004-12-10 15:48for X11?
2004-12-10 15:48including all of the openssh and xauth type stuff?
2004-12-10 15:49IWarning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding.
2004-12-10 15:49oops - I'm seeing the following message when I use cygwin to log in.
2004-12-10 15:49agofrom scratch? I think the Cygwin/X FAQ has some good steps for troubleshooting
2004-12-10 15:50This is just a warning. ssh normally uses xauth mechanisms to authenticate to the server. If it finds no xauth key then it generates a fake one for the remote clients.
2004-12-10 15:54DForgehrm...
2004-12-10 15:54I've set up open sshd on the host machine with the ForwardX11 yes
2004-12-10 15:55Am I going to run into trouble with the X11 offset setting?
2004-12-10 15:56agoDForge: I hope the remote is not CoLinux with debian
2004-12-10 15:56DForgeago: It's a gentoo box
2004-12-10 15:56agoDForge: Not that I know of. If the first offset is taken then the next is used
2004-12-10 15:56DForgew/ openssh 3.8.1_r1
2004-12-10 15:56let me force 3.9 to install
2004-12-10 15:56agoDForge: don't ever set DISPLAY after you logged in to the remote host
2004-12-10 15:58DForgeOkay - What if DISPLAY is already set for me when I log in? I did a fresh login and display is shown as being set to gandalf:0.0
2004-12-10 15:59where gandalf is the machine I"m connecting from
2004-12-10 16:00agoDForge: thats bad.
2004-12-10 16:01DForgeWhat should $DISPLAY be set to on the connected shell?
2004-12-10 16:01agoDForge: somthing like localhost:10.0
2004-12-10 16:02DForgehrmm
2004-12-10 16:02now if I manually set that up.
2004-12-10 16:02it works.
2004-12-10 16:02agoplease check with netstat -atn if there is line with 127.0.0.1:6010 of 127.0.0.1:6011
2004-12-10 16:02DForgelocal or remote
2004-12-10 16:03agoDForge: remote.
2004-12-10 16:03Hm. Some login script will reset the DISPLAY variable
2004-12-10 16:03DForgeNone
2004-12-10 16:03yeah -t looks like that might be the case
2004-12-10 16:03let me dig around the default gentoo scripts
2004-12-10 16:04agoeither .bashrc or /etc/profile are the usual suspect
2004-12-10 16:04or even /etc/profile.d/*
2004-12-10 16:04DForgeAhhhh
2004-12-10 16:05/etc/security/pam_env.conf
2004-12-10 16:05agogah. I like the n+1 linux distributions with (n+1)^2 incomplete commandline parameters and settings
2004-12-10 16:05s/incomplete/incompatible/
2004-12-10 16:05DForgeyeah.
2004-12-10 16:06agowhat's in /etc/security/pam_env.conf?
2004-12-10 16:06DForgeREMOTEHOST DEFAULT= OVERRIDE=@{PAM_RHOST}
2004-12-10 16:06DISPLAY DEFAULT=${REMOTEHOST}:0.0 OVERRIDE=${DISPLAY}
2004-12-10 16:06XAUTHORITY DEFAULT= OVERRIDE=@{XAUTHORITY}
2004-12-10 16:07agoHoly shit. I was never fond with gentoo. This is the final proof they have no clue
2004-12-10 16:07DForgeYeah - NFC what's going on here.
2004-12-10 16:07let me get rid of those linse
2004-12-10 16:08agoat least the DISPLAY line. Maybe the XAUTHORITY line too
2004-12-10 16:08DForgeyeah
2004-12-10 16:08I'm only leaving the remote host part
2004-12-10 16:09Yeah - I *wish* someone would make a linux distro that doesn't customize crap.
2004-12-10 16:09However, gentoo is a nice change from Redhat products
2004-12-10 16:10agoDForge: I think gentoo is more close to debian than to redhat.
2004-12-10 16:11DForgeI'd agree.
2004-12-10 16:11agoAnd I prefer debian over gentoo because I donÄt see the gain in compiling my complete system from sources and have all *-devel packages installed
2004-12-10 16:12DForge:)
2004-12-10 16:12My main complaint w/ debian is how slow they are to upgrade.
2004-12-10 16:13Gentoo's once nice ability is how you pick what packages to install
2004-12-10 16:13agodebian testing.
2004-12-10 16:13DForgeEven testing gets a bit out of date for me.
2004-12-10 16:13Basically, I had a SATA motherboard shortly after the 2.6 kernel was released.
2004-12-10 16:14agohttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/ is debian based but has quite fat (6 month) release cycles. Maybe too slow for you too *g*
2004-12-10 16:15DForge:)
2004-12-10 16:15Well, I've spent the pain with gentoo and really like it now.
2004-12-10 16:15agobut big downside for debian: they disable X11Forwarding in the ssh server config
2004-12-10 16:15DForgeWith the X11 flag?
2004-12-10 16:16ago#X11Forwarding yes which basicly means it's disabled
2004-12-10 16:16I just figured that out aftert looking the 3rd time over the config file :(
2004-12-10 16:17DForgeLast Gentoo bit :) The one thing I really like is their package tools. Essentially stable, testing and dev are in a single tree and the dev packages are masked. So you can selective pick what packages you want the bleeding edge from
2004-12-10 16:18Ouch.
2004-12-10 16:18One would thing that if you should just change the config file to X11 No
2004-12-10 16:18agoOk. Then you want to compile your stuff yourself. Otherwise you'd run into a hell of shared library dependencies
2004-12-10 16:19DForgeWell, their package utility does keep track of all the dependencies. So you have to decide if you want unstable libs if required.
2004-12-10 16:20I'm also the guy who emailed the list last night about the Solaris XDMCP connections not working.
2004-12-10 16:20I need to try on more font server thing.
2004-12-10 16:20agodebian unstable and testing want glibc 2.3, stable is still with 2.2 (afair) -> upgrade glibc
2004-12-10 16:21DForgeHrm.
2004-12-10 16:21Gentoo is 2.3 IIRC
2004-12-10 16:21agobut anyway. If I need something really new then I'd consider compiling it myself (or check debian backports)
2004-12-10 16:23I've tried to pull my old SuSE 6.0 + tons of custom rpms and stuff to gnome 2.6 and failed. Either I install it all to /opt or sit for ages trying to cook proper rpm specs.
2004-12-10 16:23DForgeGotcha. We have few debian boxes here as servers.
2004-12-10 16:23agoRight after the next crash I'll dump the SuSE and put debian on the box.
2004-12-10 16:23DForgeGotcha. I like gentoo for desktop machines and debian for servers - personally
2004-12-10 16:25agoanyway. There is no "the best" distribution. Only the less worst *g*
2004-12-10 16:26DForgelol - yeah
2004-12-10 16:26Time to beat my head against the XDMCP again
2004-12-10 16:26s/the//
2004-12-10 16:28agoXDMCP should die. It's so extremly insecure
2004-12-10 16:28DForgeI agree, unfortunately I have quite a few faculty members that use machines that way.
2004-12-10 16:29we have 4 interactive solaris boxes that they connect to for remote desktops.
2004-12-10 16:29agoI doo too. But only because the xsession-over-ssh is not working as expected
2004-12-10 16:29DForgehowso?
2004-12-10 16:30agostarting remote xterm is easy: DISPLAY=localhost:1.0 ssh -Y -f colinux xterm
2004-12-10 16:30remote session too: DISPLAY=localhost:1.0 ssh -Y -f colinux gnome-session
2004-12-10 16:31But if you want to incorporate it into a xinit script then everything breaks
2004-12-10 16:32DForgegotcha
2004-12-10 16:33We have a single host right now that acts as a chooser for the 4 interacitve machiens.
2004-12-10 16:34I've been learning as I go with the X11 / XDMCP stuff.
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2004-12-10 16:39Thank you for the help this morning
2004-12-10 16:42agomorning? You're good. It's time to home again *g* 16:42 CET
2004-12-10 16:46DForge:)
2004-12-10 16:48I emailed the list back about the XDMCP issues...
2004-12-10 16:48strange stuff.
2004-12-10 16:49agoMark Reis is guess?
2004-12-10 16:53DForge: The last network packet is the answer from the font server.
2004-12-10 16:54DForge: What color depth is windows running on?
2004-12-10 16:56DForge32bit
2004-12-10 16:56It's a X800 Radeon w/ current drivers
2004-12-10 16:56Windows XP SP2 - tried with both the firewall disabled and enabled
2004-12-10 16:57agoDForge: 32bit should be ok. There were problems with 24bit an solaris
2004-12-10 16:58tictricHi folks, just installed my first cygwin and added -xkblayout de -xkbmodel pc105 to that startxwin.bat in the hope that now I would have a german keyboard layout. but I was wrong. Why? I ask.
2004-12-10 16:59agotictric: XWin uses these settings by default
2004-12-10 16:59tictricNot with me it seems
2004-12-10 16:59agowhat does your logfile state?
2004-12-10 16:59tictricIs it at the same place where I would expect it on a debian system?
2004-12-10 17:00agoits in /tmp/XWin.log
2004-12-10 17:01tictricWell, it says it loaded it as expected.
2004-12-10 17:01DForgeago: The last message in the XWin log after killing XWin is winProcEstablishConnection - Clipboard is not enabled, returning.
2004-12-10 17:01tictricago: Still I have a US keyboard
2004-12-10 17:02agotictric: you get the line (--) winConfigKeyboard - Layout: "00010407" (00010407)
2004-12-10 17:02and no line sying that loading XBM map failed?
2004-12-10 17:02tictricago: Yes
2004-12-10 17:03ago: No
2004-12-10 17:04It says .X11-unix will not be created if that means something
2004-12-10 17:04agotictric: please try in xterm: setxkbmap -v -v de
2004-12-10 17:05DForge: this should be ok
2004-12-10 17:06DForge: You already have set the fontserver? Without you get the black screen with the sandwatch?
2004-12-10 17:06DForgeI've tried setting the font server w/ the same effect. Black screen w/ sandwatch.
2004-12-10 17:06And Xwin will not respond and I have to end-task it.
2004-12-10 17:07tictricOh, it says
2004-12-10 17:07Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property
2004-12-10 17:07Use defaults: rules - 'xorg' model - 'pc101' layout us
2004-12-10 17:07bla bla
2004-12-10 17:07Couldn't find rules file (xorg)
2004-12-10 17:08agotictric: are you using xdmcp?
2004-12-10 17:08tictricI don't know yet :)
2004-12-10 17:09ago: a ps ax doesn't show something like that
2004-12-10 17:09agotictric: please check if /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg or /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86 exists
2004-12-10 17:10tictric: xdmcp means you started xwin with -query or -indirect or -broadcast parameter
2004-12-10 17:11tictricago the xorg file exists. I started xwin with that default batch file actually
2004-12-10 17:12agotictric: strange...
2004-12-10 17:12tictricyep
2004-12-10 17:12agotictric: waht does xkbcomp -w 3 -xkm -m de /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86 localhost:0.0
2004-12-10 17:12DForgeago: Okay - I went back to my other server - set fp to :7000 which is where the solaris X font server is istening .
2004-12-10 17:12Now Xwin plays pogo - bounching up and down
2004-12-10 17:13Removing the explicit fs call - it works.
2004-12-10 17:13agoDForge: thats bad. The remote session starts and dies shortly after. Solaris is on of more worse unix distributions
2004-12-10 17:14which fs call? Setting the fontserver?
2004-12-10 17:14DForgeerr. the -pf flag
2004-12-10 17:15lsof shows: xfs 522 root 3u IPv6 0x30004d2a4d8 0t0 TCP *:7000 (LISTEN)
2004-12-10 17:15tictricago: It gives an error. Why is it not ...keymap/xorg ?
2004-12-10 17:15agoDForge: fslsfonts -server tcp/remotehost:7000 should list the fonts
2004-12-10 17:16tictric: historic reasons
2004-12-10 17:16tictricCan't find file "xfree86" for keycodes include
2004-12-10 17:16Exiting
2004-12-10 17:16DForgeago: yep - works
2004-12-10 17:16I get a long list of fonts
2004-12-10 17:17My Xwin batch file is essentially
2004-12-10 17:17DISPLAY=myclientip:0.0
2004-12-10 17:17rest of provided stuff
2004-12-10 17:18run Xwin -logverbose -3 -query server -nodecoration -lesspointer -fp tcp/fontserver:7000
2004-12-10 17:18agoDForge: the DISPLAY does not matter. It's only for local clients. If you see the sandwatch then the first step of xdmcp setup was already successful
2004-12-10 17:19tictric: try ls -l /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86
2004-12-10 17:19tictric: I'm suspecting broken file permissions
2004-12-10 17:19tictric: or incomplete install
2004-12-10 17:19tictricago: the file's there, what could be missing?
2004-12-10 17:19DForgeWhen I specificy the font server, I see the sandwatch, but XWin closes and then reopens.
2004-12-10 17:20agoDForge: The remote login program is dying and the xserver does reset
2004-12-10 17:21DForgeugh.
2004-12-10 17:21agotictric: What about the access rights?
2004-12-10 17:21DForgehrm...
2004-12-10 17:21tictricdoes windoze have them :)?
2004-12-10 17:21agoyes
2004-12-10 17:21what does ls -l /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86 report?
2004-12-10 17:22tictric: windows has even better access rights than standard unix
2004-12-10 17:22tictric: but noone uses them properly
2004-12-10 17:22tictric-rwxr-x---+ 1 manfred Benutzer 12788 . . .
2004-12-10 17:23ago: I know it has them. It's just a broken root tree
2004-12-10 17:24agotictric: this is the problem: -rwxr-x---+ there are file restrictions
2004-12-10 17:25what does getfacl.exe /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86 report?
2004-12-10 17:26tictricowner: manfred
2004-12-10 17:26group: Benutzer
2004-12-10 17:26user::rwx
2004-12-10 17:26group::r-x
2004-12-10 17:26group:SYSTEM:rwx
2004-12-10 17:26group:Administratoren:rwx
2004-12-10 17:26mask:rwx
2004-12-10 17:26other:---
2004-12-10 17:28Well, it's default. Didn't change nothing
2004-12-10 17:28agoHm. Try to find where the access rights are restricted. most likely in the cygwin root (c:\cygwin) and allow the users to access the file
2004-12-10 17:29I have the following settings for c:\cygwin Jeder: Vollzugriff
2004-12-10 17:29DForgeago: hrm... I just tried trussing the font server connection. but I'm not sure I'm seeing anything useful.
2004-12-10 17:30tictricago: The writeprotect attribute was grey and checked. I unchecked it
2004-12-10 17:31ago: didn't help
2004-12-10 17:32agomaybe /tmp is not available for writing too
2004-12-10 17:32no. You had the logfile there
2004-12-10 17:33check the tree down to /etc/X11/xkb/keymap if there are strange settings too
2004-12-10 17:35DForge: I don't think it's the fontserver.
2004-12-10 17:35DForgeago: Let me truss the dtlogin process for a few
2004-12-10 17:36tictricago: directories are rwxrwx files are rwxr-x
2004-12-10 17:37agoDForge: I've debugged the solaris xdmcp process some time ago. The strangest thing was the greater which locks the screen, waits until it gets killed by another program. But that program died early because it was loading a -dt-something font, got NULL in return and did not check that :(
2004-12-10 17:38tictric: let's try brute force chmod -Rv a+r /etc/X11/xkb
2004-12-10 17:40DForgeago: .... hrm... just found the /var/dt/Xerrors log
2004-12-10 17:40tictricago: I'm having a look at that setup program first. Maybe it didn't install something important? I'd say permissions are fine.
2004-12-10 17:41It's almost easier to install a LFS :)
2004-12-10 17:41DForgeXIO: fatal IO error 131 (Connection reset by peer) on X server "gandalf:0.0"
2004-12-10 17:41after 12 requests (9 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
2004-12-10 17:41Error: Can't open display: gandalf:0
2004-12-10 17:42agoDForge: rad
2004-12-10 17:42DForgeago: not sure what it means though...
2004-12-10 17:44agoDForge: I'm not sure either. The connection broke. Thats sure. But why. Normally this happens if the server crashes. But it is still running.
2004-12-10 17:45DForge: It seems you're out of luck here.
2004-12-10 17:46DForgePerhaps dtlogin needs a patch....
2004-12-10 17:46agoDForge: You could still try Xming to bypass the cygwin layer but thats only a small chance
2004-12-10 17:53DForgegrrr. Tried a fully patched machine ,but no love their eiterh
2004-12-10 18:00tictricago: nothing works
2004-12-10 18:03agotictric: does wc /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86 work
2004-12-10 18:09tictricago: yes
2004-12-10 18:11agotictric: can you try xkbcomp -w 3 -xkm -m de /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86 localhost:0.0 again?
2004-12-10 18:13tictricago: Same procedure
2004-12-10 18:14agowhat about cygcheck -c xorg-x11-etc
2004-12-10 18:15tictricVersion 6.8.1.0-1 Status: OK
2004-12-10 18:16agoand "which xkbcomp"?
2004-12-10 18:18tictricOh
2004-12-10 18:18"/usr/X11R6/bin/xkbcomp"
2004-12-10 18:19agoweird
2004-12-10 18:19tictricyou just said it
2004-12-10 18:19agoI've no idea why it can't open that file
2004-12-10 18:20tictricit's xp pro and no security precautions are taken whatsoever on that system
2004-12-10 18:21because it sits behind a linux firewall :)
2004-12-10 18:22* tictric is having some dinner
2004-12-10 18:22agosorry guys. I've no idea how to solve the problems.
2004-12-10 18:22/me heads home now
2004-12-10 18:23DForge:) np
2004-12-10 18:23thanks for the help tho
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2004-12-15 10:08predetahhey I can't get window maker to load, it keeps telling me prob initing fonts, there must be another window manager running
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2004-12-16 11:34agodaniels: with the old cvs webfrontend i was able to download a snapshot as tgz. What happend to that feature?
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2004-12-16 14:29pgregoryhi, anyone around?
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2004-12-18 03:27pyriliumthis isn't the support group for people who encase their lovers in magazines and then eat them? meep o_O
2004-12-18 03:27I have a question about rootless operation of cygwinx
2004-12-18 03:28anyone here who could answer?
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2004-12-19 01:59is anybody there?
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2004-12-19 05:01zbowlin1http://www.zacbowling.com/monodevelop/ cygwin X + coLinux = fun!
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2004-12-19 23:16Madhucan someone help me with cygwin?
2004-12-19 23:29can someone help me with cygwin?
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2004-12-20 17:29Maddycan someone help me with a compilation problem under cygwin?
2004-12-20 17:40agoWhy not check #cygwin?
2004-12-20 17:48MaddyNobody seems to be there
2004-12-20 17:51agobad. then ask on cygwin@cygwin.com
2004-12-20 18:00Maddyare you familiar with cygwin?
2004-12-20 18:11agoI'm familiar with Cygwin/X
2004-12-20 18:15Maddymy program uses <sys/dir.h> but I do not find it in the system
2004-12-20 18:16have any idea?
2004-12-20 18:19agouse <dirent.h> instead
2004-12-20 18:22MaddyI'll try that
2004-12-20 18:24by the way, there is a small note in the program which says try 'man scandir' to find while includes must be included/excluded from the program. But my man scandir says no manual pages for scandir. how do I install man pages for scandir?
2004-12-20 18:27agodon't know. Maybe there is no such man page available. Use google to find information on scandir
2004-12-20 18:28/me is leaving
2004-12-20 18:28Maddythanks. dirent.h seems to be working; now I have another library missing which I think can fix it.
2004-12-20 18:29thanks very much.
2004-12-20 18:43have any idea what's Xaw? Do I need to install it separately?
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2004-12-21 00:22parag0nhello?
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2004-12-21 20:59Maddydoes anyone know how to change color property of an x server?
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2004-12-21 21:32rhpot1991I was wondering if anyone can give me any advice, I am trying to install cygwin on a windows 2k box and the installer keeps hanging and I am getting multiple sh.exe's and find.exe's running durring the install
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2004-12-21 22:02agorhpot1991: there is currently a problem with the installer. Install the base packages first and in a second step the additional packages. Installing base packages + xorg packages at the same time will cause a lockup
2004-12-21 22:04rhpot1991i have been doing it that way
2004-12-21 22:04and still getting hang ups
2004-12-21 22:05it just sits there forever on 99%, with multiple sh.exe's and find.exe's there till I kill then and then it claims that it is completed but seems to be corrupted then
2004-12-21 22:05agoin the postinstall section? which package? xorg-x11-fnts?
2004-12-21 22:05rhpot1991as I cannot even get to a bash shell
2004-12-21 22:05xord-x11-f100.sh usually
2004-12-21 22:05yes in the postinstall section
2004-12-21 22:06should I clean the cygwin stuff out of my registry before I try to install again?
2004-12-21 22:07agono. this is not needed
2004-12-21 22:07rhpot1991and do I need to do anything in between installing the base system and installing x11?
2004-12-21 22:08agono. You just have to install less packages
2004-12-21 22:09rhpot1991so I should do the whole base as that never gives me any problems, then a few x11 packages at a time?
2004-12-21 22:09agoyes.
2004-12-21 22:10rhpot1991should I completely delete my cygwin folder now and start over or can I just start reinstalling packages over it?
2004-12-21 22:10agoI'd say remove the old install.
2004-12-21 22:11rhpot1991alright, thanks, I will give it a go tomorrow
2004-12-21 22:16agoI'm not sure about the postinstall hang. It seems like a symptom of the installer problem but it may be a problem with the postinstall script itself although I never experienced any problems with it
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2004-12-22 16:22rhpot1991ok, here is an update on my install problem I was having yesterday...
2004-12-22 16:22no matter what I do the installer hangs on xorg-x11-fenc.sh and xorg-x11-fnts.sh
2004-12-22 16:22system is running windows 2k, and symantec av corp edition 7.6
2004-12-22 16:23I have been trying multiple mirriors with no success
2004-12-22 17:05cgfThis is not a mirror issue. Do you read the cygwin mailing list? This has been discussed multiple times there.
2004-12-22 17:05There is apparently a bug in setup.exe.
2004-12-22 17:05To bypass it, first just install cygwin using the default.
2004-12-22 17:05Then rerun setup.exe and choose the X apps that you want.
2004-12-22 17:55agorhpot1991: did you try to install first the base and the xorg-x11 packages later on?
2004-12-22 18:00rhpot1991yes i have installed them seperately
2004-12-22 18:00still the same results
2004-12-22 18:00hanging on x11-fnts and x11-fenc
2004-12-22 18:01I have even tried to install x11 one package at a time, and I still get the same hang ups
2004-12-22 18:04agorhpot1991: assuming you can get a cygwin shell, can you please start bash -x font-update in this shell. It will print a lot of information what is going on. Does it stall there too?
2004-12-22 18:07rhpot1991let me go and try
2004-12-22 18:07I will need to uninstall the x11 in order to get back to a shell
2004-12-22 18:08agorhpot1991: really? This is very strange
2004-12-22 18:11cgfWhen you say "hang", how long are you letting this run? It could take some time.
2004-12-22 18:13rhpot1991this last one has been running for over an hour
2004-12-22 18:14and im getting a ton of sh.exe's and find.exe's in my task manager
2004-12-22 18:15agorhpot1991: the find should not take very long to complete. Have you tried switching of the live scanning from the firewall/virus scanner?
2004-12-22 18:18rhpot1991unfortunately its symantec corp edition so the locally the admin doesn't have rights to stop it
2004-12-22 18:18i actually had a working install on it a few days ago, then I came in and my boss told me it wasn't working anymore
2004-12-22 18:19sure enough I could no longer get to a bash shell, so I removed it and have been trying to reinstall ever since
2004-12-22 18:24if i end the tasks of the extra sh.exe's then the installer "completes" but my cygwin shell no longer works
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2004-12-23 10:56tictricHi folks, after a fresh cygwin installation I can't get cygwin neither with nor without X to accept my german keyboard.
2004-12-23 10:57(--) winConfigKeyboard - Layout: "00000407" (00000407)
2004-12-23 10:57(--) Using preset keyboard for "German (Germany)" (407), type "4"
2004-12-23 10:57(++) XKB: model: "pc105"
2004-12-23 10:57(++) XKB: layout: "de"
2004-12-23 10:57(EE) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap
2004-12-23 10:57(--) 3 mouse buttons found
2004-12-23 10:57Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/, removing from list!
2004-12-23 10:57Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/, removing from list!
2004-12-23 10:57Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/, removing from list!
2004-12-23 10:57Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/, removing from list!
2004-12-23 11:00Ah, yes. It's Win XP with service pack. The keymap-file is there.
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2004-12-23 17:39agotictric: check the faq. It has a comprehensive section on XKB trouble shooting
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2004-12-27 12:37Prime9anyone good at troubleshooting cygwinw/X around?
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2004-12-28 21:07daemon404hey
2004-12-28 21:07anyone here
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2004-12-30 03:49eric_kerinI'm trying to fix a bug in the -multiwindow WM with the ShadowGDI engine, anyone here that can point me in the right direction on some GDI events?
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